Don;t know if I'd play them myself, but wouldn't be disappointed if they ended up in a rental bag I was using. × C $318.96. we close to exact on all 20 I hit, according to Trackman. C $287.06. I really don't see much in the forgiveness once you get to this kind of iron. Blade length was definitely shorter, and the top line was a massive improvement on the 716, and even narrower than the 718. Maybe that plus the difference in price would be enough to sway my vote. I doubt it's going to be much more forgiving, if at all. Awesome clubs! Seems Crossy has cashed in his MBs for the T100. I really don't see much in the forgiveness once you get to this kind of iron. A continually updated table of contents of our front page 2021 equipment launch stories for your reading pleasure. But I'd jump on the custom order of the 718s while you still can. Whether that is just perceived or real I’m not sure. I'm going from the 712 AP2 to the T100 in 5-PW and can't wait to get them out on the course. That means it’s categorized as player’s distance iron, even if, from a shaping perspective it’s closer to an AP2 710 or 712. My best advice is to get fit. I have also made the change from 714 AP2 to the T100. I haven't hit them but from the reviews I have seen it would be near impossible for a human to tell the forgiveness difference between these and the 718 AP2 irons. Also, I had considerable turf drag with the 300's. Noticing my T100s, These looks nice but I think my 919 Tours are safe for now... Or at least until the MP-20s get released, Hi all! Golf Balls. New vs. Old – Titleist AP2 714 vs. 712 . What we saw on the lauch monitor is that the 620 CBs were similar to his 718 AP2s using the same shaft, Project X LZ 6.0. Forgiveness is overrated. Find the 716 forgiving for a mid-handicapper like me. https://www.tgw.com/golf-clubs/golf-irons/titleist-mens-718-ap2-irons > AP2 is cheaper and has more offset than t100. Well, Titleist had provided Spieth with a prototype set that matched the specs of his 714 AP2s, and Spieth used Titleist's new 716 AP2 irons at The Barclays last week. Wodehouse. The T100 replaces the AP2; the T200 comes in for the AP3 and the T300 replaces the AP1. All rights reserved. No, I didn’t try the T200s but did get fitted for a U500 3-iron…easy to hit and control. I played the original AP2, 712, 714 and currently the AP2 716. Before I ordered these irons, I met with the local Titleist rep to make sure I got the best fit. Took delivery of my T100s this week, custom fitted with the same Project X 5.0 shafts. Titleist TSi 2 & TSi 3 driver and 3 woods - 2020 Safeway Open. Thing is, if you miss hit the AP2, you lose quite a bit of elevation kind of like a blade or one piece CB. Please post what you find out compared to your irons. T100 inspires daring, imaginative play with precise distance, Tour-level shaping and signature Titleist feel. For many, including scratch players, big SGI irons or players CBs make a really big difference in scoring. For those of you familiar with the AP2 712 irons you will probably not notice many changes to the 714 series Titleist AP2 irons apart from the new shiny look with the Titleist logo mirrored in the back of the cavity. I have been playing AP1's that I purchased the first year they came out, 2 up and a r300 steel shaft. For me the fell was very good, better then my old 714s AP2s. Didn’t think I would replace my AP2’s for a while as I was very happy with them. The T100’s are a more traditional loft aren’t they? Watched some tests with T100 - exactly the same numbers you'd get with 718 AP2. Their goal is to improve the AP2 iron in three distinct areas: flight, forgiveness, and feel. https://www.instagram.com/p/CJo-yEVDcyC/?igshid=1llg9lvv71oco, 2021 American Express WITB & Equipment Photos- Links and comments, Kevin Na WITB: 2021 Sony Open Winner (pics and specs), 2021 EQUIPMENT LAUNCHES (Running thread of all our launch pieces). As if choosing your new Titleist 718 irons wasn’t difficult enough, THEY ADDED THE AP3!!!. I think that they reduced the offset a bit as well. While I am close to an off the rack guy, we did notice that 1* flat and 1* strong was the best fit for my swing. What (shaft) length do you play your woods? > I read that they shrunk the blade size to match up to the 620 CB. I've played the 714 then the 718s before moving to TM p770s for a better ball flight. And subsequently the Titleist T400 irons joined to complete the series. Agree, the look is a downgrade from the 718 AP2. Not worth the extra $$ over 718 and not as good looking IMO. Started Tuesday at 07:03 PM, By I am giving up some distance for tighter dispersion. No word there only "Forged to suit the player’s eye. Blade length was definitely shorter, and the top line was a massive improvement on the 716, and even narrower than the 718. Might try some MB models just to play with them but I don't think my game is that strong. With that said if you can hit the AP2 or T100, you could hit the CB or MB with similar results. Traditionally, Titleist has produced simple, classical-looking irons with small heads and thin top edges. Game changer for me. Maybe nail down the ball choice better to help with feel around the greens instead of clubs, Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. Honestly each new model of AP2 they have just made the profile a tad smaller and moved weight around to add more tungsten to the tow and heel area of the club. I'd find a place where you can hit the T-100s. If you demand ultimate playability with consistent distance and forgiveness, these are the irons for you. Hope this helps! > > Had a hit of them earlier, albeit in a net. Titleist TS2 Upload or insert images from URL. The 714s were pretty beat up so I ordered a set of T-100s. It’s forgiving out the toe compared to a blade for sure but I don’t really hit it from the toe. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Titleist Golf Club AP2 714 Forged 5-PW Iron Set Stiff Steel Value at the best online prices at eBay! Clear editor. Forgot to mention, the 200's also seems to be somewhat forgiving on slightly off center hit, not as forgiving as the 300's. Designed to help the best players score lower". Excludes Gift Cards. Looks to me like T100 is going to be a notch lower in the sole width, leading edge relief and low CG aspects. There is though a vast improvement over the 716’s. >>Join the conversation about the Major Differences Between the AP1 and AP2 right here in the S2ki Forum! Dang I miss those 718s. T100 vs 712 CB; T100 vs 712 CB Follow Thread. A week later, the T200 irons and T300 irons joined the T100 as the full T-Series was revealed. Its the 200 and 300 that are mega strong. C $1,337.27 + shipping . It seems like for some people going from the 718 AP2 to the T100 may not make the most sense, but coming from the 712 AP2 it will definitely be an upgrade for me. Display as a link instead, × Watched some tests with T100 - exactly the same numbers you'd get with 718 AP2. Titleist T100 5-PW The 100's did not get me the flight or consistency I wanted. In terms of feel, the 716 AP2 irons feel a little softer than AP1 down to the co-forging process but also because AP1 is geared more towards distance and has a feel to match that. The choice of those who know AP2 irons feature Tour-proven performance, validated by the best players in the world. I've played the 714 then the 718s before moving to TM p770s for a better ball flight. Scotty Cameron TeI3 Newport. I went to a fitting this past Saturday and the specs given to me were not even close to what I thought I wanted. NEXT . Now T100 are the advanced design players irons, then T200 and finally T300. Stock vs stock, the AP2 certainly beats the AP1 in the looks department. High spin. > There is no denying the 718 AP2 is a gorgeous golf club. I think they took a step backwards with the T100. But the T200 is going to have strong lofts and hot faces, right? Of course, all of this means nothing until I get on the course with the clubs. Titleist AP2 712 Forged Iron Set 3-P, GW (9pc) True Temper S300 Stiff Shaft. Not sure how the 718s compare, but after only a few uses I can say that the T100s have justifiable differences over the older 714s. Not enough to really matter. But it was a lot easier with those indestructible cast stainless steel clubs than with these shiny new forged beasties. Quote Titleist TS2 Titleist 917F2 3w Titleist 818 H1 Titleist T100 5-PW Titleist 718 T-MB 4i Vokey SM6 52*, 56*, 60* Scotty Cameron TeI3 Newport * *NOT VALID at retail locations. The T100 was revealed alongside the Titleist 620 MB and Titleist 620 CB irons, with all three set to make a major impact on the golf industry. Was fitted with the TT XP 95 shaft that works very well. Even so, there are lots of aftermarket lip kits available, that can really bring out their inner beasts. I currently have the 714 AP2's in my bag and have since 2014. I really don't see much in the forgiveness once you get to this kind of iron. Agreed. Titleist R&D does an outstanding job and the improvement from 712 to 714 to 716 is worth the leap. I misread your post -718 AP2 has less offset than t200. > The T100s do the same with a softer feel and approx full club distance increase. Any informations from the TT Members are welcome!! My understanding is that the new T100 irons utilize the existing AP2 technology in a more compact and thinner soled chassis. TSi3 | TS3 3 Wood | 915H 2 | 718 T-MB 3, T100 4-PW | Vokey SM6 52, SM8 58 | Byron DH89 LongNeck. T100 inspires daring, imaginative play with precise distance, Tour-level shaping and signature Titleist feel. > So the new range doesn't really have a direct 718 AP2 replacement, does it? Not sure how the 718s compare, but after only a few uses I can say that the T100s have justifiable differences over the older 714s. Definitely gonna be on the watch for good deals. 712 AP2 6i: 95.6 mph: 128.8 mph: 14.2 deg: 7222 rpm: 1.35: 176.5 yd *Note: results may vary depending on individual’s club speed and angle. > Forgiveness seems to be a wash but I didn't miss enough shots to know for sure. I just upgraded from the 714 AP2 to the 716 AP1. PM'd Seller first, Sent funds but took another member's higher offer after. The new Titleist T100, 620 MB and 620 CB irons will make their tour debut at this week's U.S. Open, marking the first opportunity for players to use the new irons in competition. Played a few more rounds with the T100s. Further enhancements to the "modern blade" iron. There is no denying the 718 AP2 is a gorgeous golf club. I doubt it's going to be much more forgiving, if at all. That way you can compare the new irons to your irons,then you can tell which is better for you. I might have to get a decade out of my AP2's the way I did with my old DCI 990's back in the day. > I really thought my 716 CB was as forgiving as 714/716/718 AP2 (have played with all). All Golf Balls; Pro V1; Pro V1x; AVX; Tour Speed; Tour Soft; Velocity; TruFeel They all drop & stop. Only one discount per item. In conclusion, Titleist continues to bring innovative, high quality and high performance irons with each release. They do look good, and feel good off the face. SUBSCRIBE TO THE CHANNEL FOR NEW VIDEOS EVERY WEEKDAY http://txg.ca – Matt went into the garage and dug out his original Titleist AP2 irons from 2007. Did u try t200s in the long irons at all? They're about as forgiving as the AP'2s that I had, they go through the turf better than my 714 AP2s and they look much better. I ended up with 5-W, with the 5 being the 300 and the rest 200. SC California Sonoma (Custom Shop) / SC Golo 5R, > @thewral said: Also they are slightly easier to shape and have a better sound to my ears…they crack when you hit em pure. But the T200 is going to have strong lofts and hot faces, right? Titleist 718 AP1 v AP2 v AP3 – Verdict. What we found out over all was: Apparently the T series irons aren’t much of an improvement over the 718’s so it’s not worth upgrading. By Harry L. So the new irons are officially on the Titleist web page since today. The biggest change between 718 AP2 and its predecessor is the addition of a new high-strength Japanese spring steel, called SUP10, that was used … FWIW I find my MP5 just as easy to use as AP2. The AP1 and AP2 irons with their larger heads and more decorated cavity backs were a break from that tradition. By If you fancy a newer set over your 716s, try a new/newer set of 718s at way less money. At the end of the day, the AP2/T100 is a good set of sticks. I compared my trusty 714 AP2s with the new T-100 out doors, with trackman, and concluded the following: The T-100 look better, a lot better, behind the ball. Watched some tests with T100 - exactly the same numbers you'd get with 718 AP2. The numbers lead me either way between AMT White S300 or Project X 6.0. Like T100, it’s been slimmed down relative to its predecessor. Again, minimal at best performance change with the new T100s but definitely a much higher price tag! I have also made the change from 714 AP2 to the T100. It looks fantastic, both behind the ball and in the bag. Going through a fitting opened my eyes and gave me a different perspective on my game. Very bladelike. They also hit the ball a bit higher, by about a yard on average. > Anyone noticing very high ball flight, but still carrying a good amount? Here some pictures up close of the SIM only for now. SIM 9* (set 1 tick higher loft) / Tensei AV White RAW prototype 2.0 65TX tipped 1" playing 45", Epic Flash SZ / 3+ (set -1/N) / HZRDUS Smoke Black 75g 6.5 tipped 2", MD4 Chrome / 52, 56, 60 / DG 115 S200 (for now). Went the Titleist Thursday fitting, got the correct set up and am seeing great results. Just a great set. I cant speak to the level of forgiveness since I did not hit them (I will Thursday), but they look fantastic in person. FWIW I find my MP5 just as easy to use as AP2. You can post now and register later. Good for 20% off your order. The WOW factor is there. It can't hurt to try them. Great info guys. T100 inspires daring, imaginative play with precise distance, Tour-level shaping and signature Titleist feel. My MP5s are straight to baby fade which I love for control. I regret selling my 716's. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I think they took a step backwards with the T100. Must apply your coupon code to your shopping cart for special savings. If someone had the chance to test them against the AP2 please give us your opinion. While the AP2 irons are bulky by Titleist's standards, the AP1 heads are noticeably larger and the top edge is also broader. > I am coming from 785s (2* stronger throughout the set) with PXLZ 6.5. There's no reason you shouldn't end up with the T-100, but keep an open mind going into a fitting and match the best club to your game. Don;t know if I'd play them myself, but wouldn't be disappointed if they ended up in a rental bag I was using. > > 718 AP2 are great irons - wish they had less offset in the short irons. They have a thinner topline than the AP2 had so they don't look as chunky at address. There is no denying whatsoever that a bad ball striker gets help from something like a Ping g. If you aren’t able to hit down on the ball with speed an SGI will get you the elevation you need to play golf. I love my Apex Pro's, and think they are actually a tad softer, but AP2 have always been my thing. I tried both the 716 AP2 and the 718 AP2 during their re. > > > Had a hit of them earlier, albeit in a net. Maybe that plus the difference in price would be enough to sway my vote. > Had a hit of them earlier, albeit in a net. The three new iron models follow the successful introduction of the new TS2 and TS3 hybrids and U-500 and U-510 utility irons at the recent Memorial Tournament. Designed to help the best players score lower". I doubt it's going to be much more forgiving, if at all. Titleist 718 AP2 Irons Expect more from your iron game. If theirs not much of a difference in feel I’d prefer the 718 simply because of looks, I think the T line is to complicated. P.G. The Dee Three - Titleist TS4 9.5 deg, EvenFlow White 6.5 65g, A1 Setting, Henrik - Titleist 917 F3 15 deg, Rogue Max 75x, B2 Setting, The Walking Stick - Titleist 818 H2 19 deg, Rogue Max 85X, A1 Setting, The Blades - Nike VR Pro 4 - PW, S400 Tour Issue, +0.5 inch, The Rusties - Nike Engage 50, 54 Square Sole, 58 Dual Sole, DG Wedge Flex, The Ladies Putter - Nike Method 003 "The Oven", 33.5 inches, ex Carly Booth. The new Titleist AP2 Iron stays true to the … I am interested in the T100 iron, probably will switch my AP2 716 but want to know how forgiving they are compared to AP2 716 or 718. August 06, 2019 at 01:11 PM I really thought my 716 CB was as forgiving as 714/716/718 AP2 (have played with all). Played by: Bill Haas (six wins on PGA Tour) Charley Hoffman (four wins on PGA Tour) For ME there is no difference between most of the clubs in this bracket but that is for MY misses. So now that the range is sequenced correctly, what we really need to find out is how the new models compare with their predecessors. csh19792001 Feel was OK for a CB, nothing really to report there, and they were going around 10 yards shorter than my VR Pros. > > I read that they shrunk the blade size to match up to the 620 CB. My son got a chance to compare his 718 AP2s with the new T100s and CBs. Get a Trackman iron fitting if possible. My choice came down to control vs distance.   Your link has been automatically embedded. Blade length was definitely shorter, and the top line was a massive improvement on the 716, and even narrower than the 718. Many of our customers are asking how the AP3 fits into the line up. Compared to AP3, blade lengths are shorter, toplines are thinner, there’s less offset, and a … The all-new Titleist 718 AP2 irons raise the bar on the gold standard for tour iron excellence. The 300's definitely, in my opinion, had the most "pop", but hit them really high and a little crooked. The technology is to make the game a little less hard. If I was choosing, my favourite of the three would be the AP2. My son and I got a chance to try the T100s and the 620s CBs. They are great and an improvement over the 712's. Blade length was definitely shorter, and the top line was a massive improvement on the 716, and even narrower than the 718. The 716 AP2 was the number one iron model on Tour globally and therefore Titleist has officially badged the 718 AP2 as a tour iron and placed it in their tour category alongside the 718 MB and 718 CB irons rather than with the similarly named 718 AP1 and 718 AP3. This actually makes a lot of sense since the AP2 were the players irons, the AP1 more game improvement and AP3 more game improvement yet. It was kind of jumbled. Haven't registered for Team Titleist yet? I purchased the black AP2. 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